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hellrasinbrasin
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:58 am Post subject:
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The Better Business Bureau Says Yes, Mass Effect 3 Was Falsely Advertised
Fans upset with the outcome of Mass Effect 3 have been crying "false advertising" since the get go, arguing that the ability to "completely shape" their experience as promised by EA and BioWare never materialized. According to the Better Business Bureau's Majorie Stephens, they were right.
In a posting on the consumer protection organization's Consumer News and Opinion Blog cloyingly titled "Mass Effect 3 is Having a ‘Mass Effect' on Its Consumers for Better or Worse", Stephens explains that technically yes, BioWare's marketing campaign for Mass Effect 3 does contain false advertising. It's a problem of absolutes, something that should be avoided at all cost in advertising circles.
The issue at stake here is, did Bio Ware falsely advertise? Technically, yes, they did. In the first bullet point, where it states "the decisions you make completely shape your experience", there is no indecision in that statement. It is an absolute.
Let's put this in context. If I were to tell you I make the very best lasagna in the entire world, that's an absolute. Worse, it's an absolute based on opinion, which would open me up even more. Is that false advertising? Yes, my lasagna sucks. It is, however, better a few days later with the addition of liberal amounts of shredded cheese.
Stephens also analyzes the statement "Along the way, your choices drive powerful outcomes, including relationships with key characters, the fate of entire civilizations, and even radically different ending scenarios." It's a statement that could indicate that the previous statement wasn't quite true, but a consumer would have to dig deep to come to that conclusion.
The lesson to be learned here is companies should give careful consideration to how they word their advertisements. Otherwise, there could be detrimental effects, especially in the era of social media and online forums.
If I ever form a game company, we're never saying anything. We'll just quietly slip our games under your door and run away.
Does this mean that BioWare is in some kind of trouble with the BBB? No, but its blogger agrees with the whole false advertising thing, which should make everyone feel a lot better about the whole thing.
Source: http://kotaku.com/5900991/the-better-business-bureau-says-yes-mass-effect-3-was-falsely-advertised
And the Stupid keeps on coming
Thank God this nonsense didn't happen when Metal Gear Solid 2 Sons of Liberty was released back in 01'.
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:36 pm Post subject:
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:50 pm Post subject:
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Gun Animal
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:34 pm Post subject:
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It's not that publishers ever *directly* pay for high review scores, but rather that publishers pay for advertising on review sites like IGN and Gamespot, and that those publishers wouldn't pay for advertising on a site that gives their games poor reviews. For example, when Jeff Gerstmann (of Gamespot) gave Kane & Lynch 2 a scathing review---after the game's publisher had plastered ads for the game all over Gamespot---he was fired. For giving an honest review. EA does pay all of the sites that have given ME3 good review by way of advertising and exclusive stories, trailers and interviews given to those sites. If you don't believe that it works like this then just take a look at any site known for giving negative reviews, like the Escapist.
This doesn't have anything to do with the game's quality; Dark Souls is (in my opinion!) the most amazing game ever made, but I still got the sense that a lot of reviewers felt pressured not to say anything bad about it because of it's huge advertising budget, and that's lame.
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:12 pm Post subject:
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This guy can't seem to decide what he believes Bioware wants to do with the ending; first it's a matter of money, and then destroying the series, and then creating fake emotional depth. Then he never even defines 'art' when claiming that the gaming community doesn't know what art is.
Then he obscures why Bastion received praise, and writes off it's usage of narration as being 'mediocre' because narrations have been in games before. That's like saying "Crysis has good graphics, but graphics have been in games since Pong." Bastion used dynamic narration, which changed in response to the player's actions. He also doesn't mention the style of writing and good cadence for said narrations. That and the 'overly simple' gameplay allowed it to be fast paced and smooth.
To say that the monetary reasons behind a work inhibit its ability to be called art is nonsensical. Francis Ford Copolla once lamented to George Lucas that he couldn't make the art films he wanted, and George said that it would be good to consider mainstream success as a gateway to create art films in the future. Therefore, according to this guys standards, The Godfather and Apocalypse Now aren't art. In fact, any film where someone had to get cast over someone else or a change had to be made because the studio wanted it that way means that those works don't qualify as art due to lack of artistic integrity.
I do agree that game journalists like to over inflate significance of certain games, and in turn inflate their own purpose as game journalists, but to decry any attempts made is simply unfair. Sure, any game has its shortcomings, but there is always a separation between story and gameplay, and some games, Bastion for example, attempt to meld the two.
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:52 pm Post subject:
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| Gun Animal wrote: | It's not that publishers ever *directly* pay for high review scores, but rather that publishers pay for advertising on review sites like IGN and Gamespot, and that those publishers wouldn't pay for advertising on a site that gives their games poor reviews. For example, when Jeff Gerstmann (of Gamespot) gave Kane & Lynch 2 a scathing review---after the game's publisher had plastered ads for the game all over Gamespot---he was fired. For giving an honest review. EA does pay all of the sites that have given ME3 good review by way of advertising and exclusive stories, trailers and interviews given to those sites. If you don't believe that it works like this then just take a look at any site known for giving negative reviews, like the Escapist.
This doesn't have anything to do with the game's quality; Dark Souls is (in my opinion!) the most amazing game ever made, but I still got the sense that a lot of reviewers felt pressured not to say anything bad about it because of it's huge advertising budget, and that's lame. |
Yeah, I watched this and it clarified some of the point for me.
Yeah, I don't buy a lot of Instig8iveJournalism's points. There sometimes seems to be this underlying sentiment that most gamers are stupid and that therefore the opinions of any majority do not count because they are all objectively wrong in every way. That everybody who likes "mainstream" games are just sheeple being herded by big corporations into liking things that actually suck. That alone discredits a lot of what he's saying as just bigotry. He brings to mind some interesting thoughts though, so I gotta hand it to him for that. Bioware trying to make a commentary on the industry? That's new. Haven't ever heard that before. I also don't believe it, but hey, it's a crazy idea.
He also claims the indoctrination theory is "proven", except we all know that it totally isn't, or wasn't even for the time he uploaded the video, and that if anything it is now very disproven.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:53 am Post subject:
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Heyokah
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 9:24 am Post subject:
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Was it even a species? Its just a bunch of genetic code combined with materials. I couldn't be concerned about that. They weren't going to be a species again anyway.
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Heyokah
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 7:07 am Post subject:
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There's alot of things they could have gotten from the reapers. Considering how fast the Reapers made it to the milky way, I think we could get better propulsion. Maybe there's some secrets on the reapers about how the relays worked.
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