And also a quote from Stefan Molyneux:
“It’s the same state! The one that is arresting [the Wall Street protestors] is the same one that they’re asking to solve all of these financial predations … Once the people see the state as a unified entity rather than some fragmented disco ball of wishful projection, they will understand that begging the mafia to solve the problem of crime is a futile and ridiculously embarrassing thing to do.”
So when does Occupy Nakatomi Plaza happen?
"Due to the Nakatomi Corporation's legacy of greed around the globe, they are about to be taught a lesson in the real use of power. You will be witnesses."
Their intentions are good, I understand their anger, anyone from a working class background must be frightened for the future in light of numerous economic disturbances we have witnessed.
But I must question their resolve. They claim that they want change, do they mean it? Or will they shuffle back home like losers as soon as the cops tighten the thumbscrews? In my country, we have had numerous protests, but my key issue has laid with how those protests were hijacked by vile Anarchist scum who hate my country and want all states abolished, they pissed on war memorials for fucks sake. These people seem like patriots, men and women who give a shit about America. Which is why they can't give in and need firm leadership to guide them into upping the ante.
If the system is fundementally rotten, putting a band-aid on it won't cure anything. Amputation, however...
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:53 pm Post subject:
It amazes me that people think bailing out the banks and the monetary policy of this country is capitalism.
Ronny wrote:
If the system is fundementally rotten, putting a band-aid on it won't cure anything. Amputation, however...
Too bad a majority of them don't seem to understand how the system works. There are some who are willing to learn and that's good but many get hostile and defensive.
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:08 pm Post subject:
I wouldn't expect them to know anything because they're all hipsters. I think they're really tying to 'have a moment' like the people in the Arab Spring did. I think its more about narcissism than politics.
If they wanted to improve things maybe they should have marched on city hall. Considering our Mayor is immune for being called to trail for the fact that he made campaign 'donations' to another party with no explanation. They can also ask why the parks department handed over the money, and also the land, to both the Mets and Yankees. Instead they're going to make loud noise and annoy the people that work for a living.
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:09 am Post subject:
1) Protesting because you are a stupid person who makes stupid decisions (ie. going to college and thinking you'll get a good job) is your own fault. The school system gives you a piece of paper in exchange for tens of thousands of dollars -- and if you can't recognize how broken that system is before jumping ignorantly into it, you deserve what you get.
2) These protesters never talk about the true sources of problems. They only want their little personal cut of the loot, not to actually reform shit. If you gave them an extra $100 a month from tax money, they would be happy.
3) It's retarded to think that protests will do absolutely anything beneficial in this day and age.
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:20 am Post subject:
Mr. Wolfe wrote:
The school system gives you a piece of paper in exchange for tens of thousands of dollars
I don't want to derail this thread, but I have a question: is going to university somehow expensive in America? It's just that over here it's free, and I keep hearing how people in the US work and collect money and everything just to go to college. Do you have to pay to get education?
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Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:13 am Post subject:
Zerim wrote:
Do you have to pay to get education?
Yes. However, you can get loans for school that you have to pay off later, though depending on how much you borrow you might be in debt up to your eye balls for a long time. I on the other hand get financial aid so I'm getting to go for free and I don't have to pay anything back, but that's only because I'm dirt poor to being with. This is just for college, obviously. Elememtary, Middle and High School is completely free, it's just that you can't get by in this country anymore without a college degree and even then it's still hard to find a good paying job.
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:04 am Post subject:
Zerim wrote:
I don't want to derail this thread, but I have a question: is going to university somehow expensive in America? It's just that over here it's free, and I keep hearing how people in the US work and collect money and everything just to go to college. Do you have to pay to get education?
Well first, it's not free in Turkey or anywhere at all; It is paid for in some way. I don't know shit about Turkey but nothing is ever free.
With that said, many students qualify for government grants. Likewise, the government has encouraged loans by both securing them through tax payer money and imposing bullshit rules. For example, if you want to declare bankruptcy but have a student loan not paid off, you're fucked as the government has banned declaring bankruptcy for student loans. Likewise, they have allowed institutions to be able to directly pull out payments and fees from paychecks from a debter. (If all else fails, the government foots the bill, which essentially means that banks have no reason to deny student loans unless the government tells them) These are reasons why I always ask for private loans for "business" or look for charity-run "free loans" which have low or no interest.
Now the problem here is that education is just like any other business in that if the money is there, they will charge what they can. As a result, tuition prices have skyrocketed to ridiculous levels. Despite the increase, subsidized schools (colleges that are run by a state and give huge discounts to residents of said states, for example) will cut down the number of classes available to students if the state cuts back funding. This despite the fact that administrative salaries have increased at a higher rate than tuition. (Professors also have been getting higher salaries but it's comparable to the rate of inflation so this is not the real problem even though some universities use this excuse to cut back classes)
Now you may go "well then it should be free" (and if not, just pretend someone else is, because this argument is made quite often) which usually means tax money is used to pay for everyone's tuition. I can make several arguments against it, but let's just use something from recent events. In Tunisia, higher education is available to the public for free. I believe around 10% of their GDP was spent on education but I could be wrong. Anyways, this caused the number of college graduates to increase to the point in which around 60% of Tunisians looking for jobs are college graduated.
Wow 60%. That's good right? Well, no. Remember, a grand majority of these people are not actually looking for "education." They are looking for a piece of paper which makes them more competitive in the job market. Except, well, it doesn't. Even worse, Tunisia is highly restrictive of what you can major in (considered a necessity in case an idiot claims he can become a brain surgeon and waste tax payer money fucking around in classes mostly being there to tell his dad he's doing something and pick up smart muff to fuck) so this limits the potential in many students who could be very innovative in numerous fields.
Anyways, these graduates got mad, but they didn't revolt at first. They tried to become entrepreneurs. Thing is, that's not how things work in Tunisia. Some a college graduate who decided to sell fruit to make ends meet until shit got better had all his business confiscated because he didn't have the proper licenses. So he killed himself. And that's when shit hit the fan. Egypt's situation was similar.
Sorry this was long but the situation is far more complicated. There's more about this in Wolfe's thread about college being a scam and this brilliant article from the Mises Institute if you are curious.
PS: I don't think lowly of anyone who takes out a student loan or gets grants from the government. People seem to think this whenever I talk about the problems associates with tuition inflation.
I first would allow the guilty bankers to pay back anything over 100 million in personal wealth because I believe in a maximum wage of 100 million dollars. If they’re unable to live on that amount then they should go to the reeducation camps, and if that doesn’t help, then be beheaded.
Not sure if serious, Celebrity Net Worth called her out for her generous maximum wage. Her response?
Quote:
@celebnetworth you lying piece of shit- i said guilty bankers, not non guilty ones! not all rich people r guilty including me- u commie
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