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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:45 am    Post subject:  

John wrote:
Not exactly a role model for the feminist movement.
I don't really care about the feminist movement.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:47 am    Post subject:  

Neither do I...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:48 am    Post subject:  

Im a girl and I don't care about them either ._.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:54 am    Post subject:  

That's generally because the modern movement is less about women's rights and more about collectivism. Their feelings on The Boss are irrelevant because such femanists hate the video game industry for what they see as exploiting the female form.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:12 pm    Post subject:  

All I meant was the Boss' "loyalty" to her country is comparable to a wife's "loyalty" to her abusive husband. Hence my joke about how she isn't exactly a role model for the feminist movement...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:19 pm    Post subject:  

Right, I got it, but my point is basically that arguably the most important character of the series is a female.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:54 pm    Post subject:  

Ravi Singh wrote:
Oh shit I just realized what you meant. Her French had an accent. I wonder if the Spanish used by the other characters were laughable to South Americans.

LOL MAYBE CECILE RLY WORKS FOR TEH PATRIOTZ AND ISNT FRENCH


Yes is a very bad spanish, I'm from México and yes is horrible, the actors dont know how to say the letter "r" but It can be worse in MGS4 they say Mejico in one of the TV ads in the begin of the game. But overrall is Ok the spanish in the game.

"They kill mi viejo"
Bueno eso no suena bien en Español...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:36 pm    Post subject:  

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Oh shit I just realized what you meant. Her French had an accent. I wonder if the Spanish used by the other characters were laughable to South Americans.

LOL MAYBE CECILE RLY WORKS FOR TEH PATRIOTZ AND ISNT FRENCH

Yes is a very bad spanish, I'm from México and yes is horrible, the actors dont know how to say the letter "r" but It can be worse in MGS4 they say Mejico in one of the TV ads in the begin of the game. But overrall is Ok the spanish in the game.

"They kill mi viejo"
Bueno eso no suena bien en Español...


I'm from Spain, and half colombian by the way. I can only agree :)
Kaz speaks horrible japanese, Cecile speaks horrible french, and Chico speaks mostruous spanish.
Paz averagely behaves herself, Amanda does better, and Big Boss is THE bipedal genious.
Then there's Zadornov, who doesn't give a crap. Well, impersonating him is Vincent Valentine's voice, star brought right from Square-Enix's mother base. How can you compare that to David Hayter? Deep and sexy, yes... But experienced in vocal registers?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:23 am    Post subject:  

Henry Spencer wrote:
MercuryLemur wrote:
Ronok wrote:
Ravi Singh wrote:
Oddly enough, I prefer fake accents over no accent.

This.
lol @ Volgin

and Sokolov

and Ocelot...


Funny you should mention that; MGS3 had some of the cast speaking with accents (Granin, Russian President) whilst the other half of the cast just didn't bother at all (pretty much the entirety of the Cobra Unit, hell all of the antagonists in the game). I do know that was supposed to be because Snake was speaking Russian to the characters in the game who speak it, but Granin was the weak link there...

In Twin Snakes pretty much ALL accents are gone with the exception of Raven and Mantis...

And in MGS4, they seemed to completely do away with accents, except for Vamp (only one character).

And now fake accents are back again in Peace Walker (all characters who should have accents; do). Got to say I much prefer it this way.

The reason Granin and Khrushchev spoke with accents was because they themselves were speaking in English to Snake & LBJ, respectively. The lack of accents throughout the rest of MGS3 had to do with how they were all speaking in Russian language, but KojiPro didn't want to go through the hassle of having everyone speaking in hsilgnE (hey; Russian sounds like they're speaking backwards), and God forbid we all have to pay attention to subtitles more than anything else. Obviously, some of the Russian characters like Volgin and Sokolov have unique accents (oops, redundancy) in their dialogue, but I think that's supposed to be a personality sort of thing.

For MGS4, I admit that the Praying Mantis group should've had British accents, because they're supposed to be a British PMC, are they not? As for the PMC in Chapter 2 (can't think of the name at the moment), they're French, but French would be too much of a hassle to deal with so everybody would be speaking English.

As for Peace Walker, well, Ravi said that fake accents are better than no accents. All I can say to that is that it would just be more realistic to have a voice-actor respective to his/her character's nationality. If a character is French, get a French person to do the character's voice. It shouldn't cost that much, but I've always felt that certain things in Japanese entertainment production could cost pretty much all of Japan's economy, so perhaps I don't know what I'm talking about when I suggest these things.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:47 am    Post subject:  

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All I can say to that is that it would just be more realistic to have a voice-actor respective to his/her character's nationality. If a character is French, get a French person to do the character's voice.

See, that's precisely what I meant when I created this topic and typed my original rant. I was on a plane two days ago and figured I'd play some more PW since I haven't finished it yet and the flight was a few hours long. I figured I'd see if there were any new tapes to listen to before really getting started and ended up listening to Cecile's rant about sweets (in case you want to check it out, it's under "France", then "Macaroons"). I got so annoyed by how badly she mangled every single food she named that I thought "Fuck that" and resorted to trying to find something watchable on a crappy little seat-embedded TV that kept flickering. I ended up watching the first Addams Family movie.

I really don't care if you won't fetch a voice actor who actually speaks their character's language so long as they sound at least decent, but it's another story if you're going to have them constantly use words in that language. Honestly, how hard would it really be to find a decent voice actor who speaks French/Spanish/whatever? Hell, they don't even have to be all that experienced; you could give a newbie a chance to start a career and perhaps make a name for themselves some day.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:59 pm    Post subject:  

Now I miss the great Russian voice acting in MGS2....
Anybody remember the soldier who says "I´m going to go in my pants" with perfect russian accent that was good times.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:50 pm    Post subject:  

How can I forget! he takes a piss ON raiden! kinda disturbing memory

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:55 pm    Post subject:  

Not if you hug the wall.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:57 pm    Post subject:  

BUT.... Damn... why didnt I think of that >.<

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:44 pm    Post subject:  

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Their feelings on The Boss are irrelevant because such femanists hate the video game industry for what they see as exploiting the female form.


Does it not? Don't get me wrong. There is nothing I hate more than ignorant, collectivistic accusations about things people don't fully understand, but the game industry is still primitive in more ways than one. The feminist movement needs to regain the integrity it once held, but the game industry hasn't even reached a point where it can be considered an industry with companies that consistently deliver artistic and intellectual properties.


I feel fans still don't get what The Boss was doing. Volgin fucked her over by firing the nuke. If she decided to not follow the CIA's orders, Russia would retaliate and World War III would ensue. If that didn't occur to you then you weren't paying attention. You'd be a serious asshole not to follow orders in that case. Eva and Snake saw her as a true patriot because of the role forced upon her.

Anyways, the accents were mostly fine to me. I've missed them since MGS2. I don't typically listen to French, Russian, or Costa Rican accents, so I couldn't tell how accurate they were.
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