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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:49 pm    Post subject:  Contraception
Subject description: I'm so fucking sick of hearing about it
 

What's this bullshit about?

I know, I know, "lol go look it up yourself." But please, understand, I do not have the patience to sit through Google links ranging from "lol these hippie communists r conspirizing against Jesus" to "lol these racist republicans r declaring war on women." The Soup has a built-in Bullshit filter, so it'd be more informative if I just discuss it with you guys.

I know Ron Paul is against banning the pill, though he obviously is against the government handing it out like candy, which is enough for Leftist to moan about how he's somehow anti-woman (strawman argument), but what about the other candidates?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:43 pm    Post subject:  

Just cum on her back. Problem solved.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:02 pm    Post subject:  

Its become a political football issue.

If you're asking about how all this sparked then in a small nutshell:
-White House seeks to have contraception covered via health insurance for women by employers
-Religious institutions have a hissy fit about it. It is spin doctered into a "war againist religion" talking point against Obama, completely disregarding the health benefits that do not even have anything to do with reproduction.
-White House and Cardinal Dolan come to terms, insurance companies will get stuck with the contraception bill instead.
-Rep candidates don't let up about the issue, using it as a bashing point against Obama.
-Other bills/laws around the country revolving around contraception and anti-abortion measures come to light during this debacle which snowballs the whole thing further.

A big activist sparking nugget that has come from all this has been a anti-abortion provision in a few states that force women seeking abortion to undergo a trans-vaginal probe ultrasound, during which they will be forced to hear the heartbeat and have a screen placed in front of their faces (but they can look away!)

So women are mad regardless of party and this whole banning contraception mess is another instance where the White House is loling in the backrooms. As far as I know Santorum is the only one openly against contraception 100%. Romney the flopper is on god knows what side over this and I haven't heard much from Newt.

Oh yeah and employers can opt out of coverage as long as its on the grounds of a "moral objection" which includes religious institutions and everyone else as well. This itself is another issue wherein regular employers could technically deny covering things on this very vague ground.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Contraception
Subject description: I'm so fucking sick of hearing about it
 

JMG2 wrote:
...which is enough for Leftist to moan about how he's somehow anti-woman


Dude, in this day and age, him being a man is enough be accused of to being anti-woman.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:18 pm    Post subject:  

Obama pretty much played a card to make the conservatives rile up and crowd around Santorum who next to Gingrich has no chance against Obama. It worked. It worked well. I don't mean that Santorum will get the nomination, but the Santorum wing of the Republican Party just makes the Republican Party as a whole look bad.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:26 pm    Post subject:  

Jonathan wrote:
Dude, in this day and age, him being a man is enough be accused of to being anti-woman.
Or, if you're white, you somehow share a "collective guilt" because of something other assholes did before you were fucking born, before your family even came to this country. You can't argue against it, because you're white and thus are biased and privileged. You need a black guy to argue for you.


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I want to get this book (look up the author's name in Google Images.)

Back on-topic: So basically, typical political theater that doesn't deserve any attention. Great.

I'm really, really fucking frustrated with how it's split between wanting the government to ban it or wanting the government to force insurance companies to cover it. There's no middle ground. You either hate women or you hate Jesus. It alienates people into not caring about politics, which allows the government to get away with even more shit.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:28 pm    Post subject:  

I've already given up on 2012. 2016 may be good.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:29 pm    Post subject:  

I want a Rand Paul 2016 t-shirt.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:38 pm    Post subject:  

Another issue I'd like to bring up: I agree with the traditionalists who argue that they should not have their tax dollars going into something they feel is morally wrong. The problem is, where are these people when anti-war activists are busted for tax evasion?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:43 pm    Post subject:  

The tax monster needs a ground-up overhaul in general. What was it? 14k+ provisions added, millions of words added all in ~20 years? It's another political football that neither party has an incentive to really go after as it stands today.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:06 pm    Post subject:  

Ravi Singh wrote:
Another issue I'd like to bring up: I agree with the traditionalists who argue that they should not have their tax dollars going into something they feel is morally wrong. The problem is, where are these people when anti-war activists are busted for tax evasion?
I remember seeing an image macro about that on some "Republicans Fucking Suck" Facebook page. The moderator kept calling people anti-women for thinking it's wrong for the government to force people to pay for birth control. "YOU ALL SOUND LIKE CAVEMEN."

I can't find the image, but it said "If you don't want to pay for contraception, because you're morally opposed to it, does that mean I can not pay for war, which I'm morally opposed to?"

My mind screamed "YES! YOU CAN! YOU SHOULD!" But it dawned on me what's really being said in the picture; "eh... I don't like war, but as long as I get to chow down on free baby-be-gone pills*, it's k."

This reminded me of a time in my old Social Studies class. We were talking about seat belt laws. I say it's the government trying to replace common sense. My teacher says that he has to pay for the guy's medical care if he gets in a wreck (then he tried to butter me up with a scenario involving kids in a car wreck. THINK OF THE CHILDREN LAWL.)
We had to write down our thoughts on the issue. This one girl, who supports these seatbelt laws, was very angry at the thought of some guy recklessly driving without a seatbelt, and having her tax dollars go to pay for it. "If I don't have my right to keep my money, why should you have the right to not wear a seatbelt?!"
Just look at her words. Her rights were violated, which is worth bitching about, but she wants to settle it by violating other people's rights. I didn't hear any compassion for her fellow man from her, which is what Leftists are all about (according to them.) All I heard was irrational hatred and longing for vengeance.

This is what entitlement does. It doesn't encourage moral justice or "fairness." It encourages a system of dependence and "gimmie!"

*If I were running for public office, this line would kill me if someone dug it up.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:30 pm    Post subject:  

JMG2 wrote:
This is what entitlement does. It doesn't encourage moral justice or "fairness." It encourages a system of dependence and "gimmie!"


That's America for you.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:42 am    Post subject:  

I think John being male is contraceptive to him having Ron Paul's baby.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:34 am    Post subject:  

Ravi Singh wrote:
I've already given up on 2012. 2016 may be good.
What did I tell you?

John wrote:
I didn't hear any compassion for her fellow man from her, which is what Leftists are all about (according to them.) All I heard was irrational hatred and longing for vengeance.
Exactly.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:16 am    Post subject:  

Rei wrote:
I think John being male is contraceptive to him having Ron Paul's baby.
Ron Paul is so two days ago.

Rand Paul is where it's at!

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