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Ravi Singh
Retired is not anything
Joined: 06 May 2006 Posts: 24777 Warnings: 2147483647

Location: Los Angeles, CA MGO Name: Ravi Singh Gender: Male Age: 25
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:46 am Post subject:
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Sometimes when I post a myth article people tell me that I wasted my time typing up a page or whatever pointing out the obvious. In this case, I think even those people may learn something new.
Thanks to Marc from Junker HQ for his translation assistance again.
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emoXwolf Fetishist I'm sick of this shit
Joined: 11 Aug 2010 Posts: 1032 Warnings: 0

Location: Wisconsin MGO Name: Shame MGO is down eh? Gender: Male Age: 18
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:49 am Post subject:
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| Nitroid wrote: | | I'm pretty certain that in the MGS3 Extreme Box it was mentioned that Big Boss was rendered sterile by the first blast at Tselinoyarsk. You might want to have Marc check the Virtuous Mission commentary to double-check, though. |
It very well could have said that but remember the retcon...THE RETCON!!!
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Nitroid
Likes The Snake have you seen this man
Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 284 Warnings: 1

Location: Beyond Coast MGO Name: Nitroid Gender: Male Age: 28
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:21 pm Post subject:
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| TheParoxysm wrote: | | I liked the article, but I still am weirded out so many people are so obsessed with the facts, which can easily be overturned in the future or may already be (with things such as the MGS:Database). |
Which is an ironic notion, as the Database retcons itself in a few places. Either Kojima is a lazy writer, or he's invented a new type of meta-meta-fiction.
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Nitroid
Likes The Snake have you seen this man
Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 284 Warnings: 1

Location: Beyond Coast MGO Name: Nitroid Gender: Male Age: 28
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:24 pm Post subject:
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| TheParoxysm wrote: | | Nitroid wrote: | | TheParoxysm wrote: | | I liked the article, but I still am weirded out so many people are so obsessed with the facts, which can easily be overturned in the future or may already be (with things such as the MGS:Database). |
Which is an ironic notion, as the Database retcons itself in a few places. Either Kojima is a lazy writer, or he's invented a new type of meta-meta-fiction. |
Or he signed off after a very quick review of it as it was done by a team of others. |
Boy, it's a good thing that we'll never have to rely on that team for an actual story!
Oh, wait.
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Virgin Who Wears Psycho Mantis Outfits
Joined: 10 Jun 2010 Posts: 2610 Warnings: 1

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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:35 pm Post subject:
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Yeah, the future project leads for Kojima Productions.
Future titles will be in their names.
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Ron!n
Nanomachine Twilight
Joined: 17 Apr 2008 Posts: 730 Warnings: 1

Location: South Korea/Halifax Nova Scotia Canada Gender: Male Age: 31
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:16 pm Post subject:
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Sorry Ravi, but this Myth article is kinds BS man. You use the original Japanese script as your only solid footing, but deny the English script for both MGS1 AND MGS TTS, even though they are Kojima approved scripts.
I believe that by the time they got around to localizing the first MGS the accepted idea by Kojima, was that Big Boss had been (even if only for a short time) in a coma while his DNA was extracted without his knowledge.
As for the injury leaving him sterile, well....he hinted at Bikini Atoll in MGS3 and outright balls out (pun intended) admitted it in Portable Ops. Now of course you could argue whether Ops was canon, but I am going to go with it being canon...in spite of being the weakest title.
Honestly being exposed to one nuclear bomb is more than enough to sterilize a guy...so those trying to figure out what other "injury" they could mean need search no more
The best supporting evidence of him...in fact...being in a coma of some type is that in Peace Walker he has no knowledge about the LET project. Being sterile does not make you stupid. So somehow or another his DNA was taken without him knowing. Of course you don't need to be in a coma for someone to take a sample of your DNA, but as two versions of the Metal Gear Solid script have stated this to be so, and it does not conflict with anything else in the canon, why would anyone assume it to be a Myth? You really must be bored if you want to "dis-prove" things that don't even really need disproving.
Really this isn't a Myth article...it is conjecture. There is a difference between Fact, and what you hypothesize to be possibly fact....bases on a single line spoken in a single game...that doesn't really conflict with anything else directly.
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Ravi Singh
Retired is not anything
Joined: 06 May 2006 Posts: 24777 Warnings: 2147483647

Location: Los Angeles, CA MGO Name: Ravi Singh Gender: Male Age: 25
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:34 pm Post subject:
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| Ron!n wrote: | | As for the injury leaving him sterile, well....he hinted at Bikini Atoll in MGS3 and outright balls out (pun intended) admitted it in Portable Ops. Now of course you could argue whether Ops was canon, but I am going to go with it being canon...in spite of being the weakest title. | He only tells Elisa that he "can't be a father" and in no way references to Bikini Atoll in Portable Ops unless you're referring to another line. I think it was Bikini Atoll as that makes the most sence, but it's never 100% confirmed although Nitroid has said that it might be stated explicitly so in official promotional materials in Japan that I don't have access to unfortunately.
On a related note, if anybody could get me the Japanese script for Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, I would appreciate it. | Ron!n wrote: | | I believe that by the time they got around to localizing the first MGS the accepted idea by Kojima, was that Big Boss had been (even if only for a short time) in a coma while his DNA was extracted without his knowledge. | Observe the exact line spoken by Liquid:
| Code: | | Their plan was to artificially create the most powerful soldier possible. The person that they chose as the model was the man known then as the greatest living soldier in the world... |
Snake then interrupts with a self-reflecting answer "Big Boss..." Liquid continues with the line in question:
| Code: | | But father was wounded in combat and already in a coma when they brought him in. So they created us from his cells... with a combination of 20th century analog cloning and the Super Baby Method. |
He is essentially saying that because Big Boss was in a coma, they had no choice but to clone the guy. Like I stated in the article, you can still extract sperm from a comatose male. So it really doesn't even make sense anyways. Compare it to the more accurate translation from Marc:
| Code: | | But an injury father sustained in combat left him sterile. So they created us from his cells... with a combination of 20th century analog cloning and the Super Baby Method. |
Here Liquid is saying that because he was sterile from an injury, he had to be cloned. This actually makes sense. | Ron!n wrote: | | The best supporting evidence of him...in fact...being in a coma of some type is that in Peace Walker he has no knowledge about the LET project. Being sterile does not make you stupid. So somehow or another his DNA was taken without him knowing. Of course you don't need to be in a coma for someone to take a sample of your DNA | Which destroys the point you just made. There are many ways to get someone's DNA without their knowledge. | Ron!n wrote: | | but as two versions of the Metal Gear Solid script have stated this to be so, and it does not conflict with anything else in the canon, why would anyone assume it to be a Myth? | Because it's an issue which fans have a Waiting For Godot reaction to, hoping desperately that the subject will be addressed as it is a huge mystery. The very reason why it's a myth is because people don't think it is.
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Victor Katilis
Nanomachine Twilight Gas Snake, Enormous Boss
Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Posts: 692 Warnings: 0

Location: Outer Fucking Heaven Gender: Male Age: 22
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:32 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | | As much as I hate weighing in on any Canon debate, Ops is, it's referenced in PW. So unless PW is noncanon, and DB is noncanon, then PO is canon. |
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