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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:44 pm Post subject:

Thoughts on Chapter 4 ending
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I see everyone discussing the second ending, the one in Chapter 5. How about the main one in Chapter 4? What did you think of it?

I admit I wasn't expecting it. And I kind of liked it. I know they concluded something that was already concluded in MGS3, but the way they did it in PW... I dunno, I just loved it. And with "Sing" as background... I liked it more.

Your thoughts?

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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:50 pm Post subject:

It was cool that Big Boss finally gets over The Boss (again) and throws that bandana into the water (even though he still wears it in Chapter 5?) but the whole "ghost in the machine" thing felt sudden. The worst thing is that even after watching Chapter 5, you still don't get the point of the game as an addition to the storyline. Cool, Big Boss had the beginnings of Outer Heaven already in 1974? It's unnecessary. Of course, I already knew it would be once they announced the game in the first place.

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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:58 pm Post subject:

Ravi Singh wrote:

But now then, was it really a "ghost in the machine"? Or was the machine really capable of factual compensation (think it's called that way)?

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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:16 pm Post subject:

It was probably malfunctioning. I think the same exact song was playing in the tape Cecile recorded where the AI and Strangelove are talking.

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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:23 pm Post subject:

Ravi Singh wrote:

It was probably malfunctioning. I think the same exact song was playing in the tape Cecile recorded where the AI and Strangelove are talking.

Yes it was the very same song. It also played when Snake meets the AI for the first time.

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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:09 pm Post subject:

We're meant to think there's a Ghost in the Shell.
Actually, I've been thinking over that very detail ever since I finished ZOE.
Can a machine grow sentient?
I mean, a brain's just tissue and Neurons, etc. but if you think about it, it's hard to explain, there is something more than just a functioning natural computer up there.

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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:11 pm Post subject:

Kinsoku Jiko wrote:

Can a machine grow sentient?

It depends on how it's built, really.

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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:09 pm Post subject:

Ravi Singh wrote:

Kinsoku Jiko wrote:

Can a machine grow sentient?

It depends on how it's built, really.

Wierd that you guys mention that. I played Omega Boost a long time ago, and that's what took me from a rogue White Hat, into a person seriously looking into programming.

The Mech you're piloting has the ability to self-repair, and....evolve powers in a sense based on your combat abilities...Always interested me.

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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:46 pm Post subject:

Kinsoku Jiko wrote:

but if you think about it, it's hard to explain, there is something more than just a functioning natural computer up there.

I think this way too.

Whenever mankind assumes he has figured out the way nature works, he makes a mistake. "the moment you think you got it figured, you're wrong."

Because when you look at the history of this stuff, everytime we thought we got to the bottom of anything, we always later found that there was more. People once thought atoms were the smallest particles in the universe.

Comparing the brain to a computer is fine, but drawing conclusions based on just that won't do any good.

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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:17 pm Post subject:

Zerim wrote:

Kinsoku Jiko wrote:

but if you think about it, it's hard to explain, there is something more than just a functioning natural computer up there.

I think that the ending is meant to prove that, even when a machine is stuffed full of The Boss's information, memories, everything, the machine (aka The Boss in a sense) still decided to make a sacrifice in order to save people from nuclear attack. It proves in a more further way that The Boss was indeed a true patriot.

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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:19 pm Post subject:

Oh I wasn't talking about Peace Walker at all.

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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:43 pm Post subject:

Zerim wrote:

Oh I wasn't talking about Peace Walker at all.

Oh well, that's kind of the conversation anyway.

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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:09 pm Post subject:

Wait, so are you saying that the machine, the machine ITSELF, without the Boss' simulation, decided to just stop the nuclear launch?

Like, are you saying the whole thing didn't have much to do with The Boss at all, but that the message was, "Hey look, even a machine doesn't want nukes to happen"?

Because that would be plain fucking stupid.

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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:19 pm Post subject:

I don't think that's what he meant.

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It proves in a more further way that The Boss was indeed a true patriot.

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Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:59 pm Post subject:

Zerim wrote:

No.

When the machine had all of The Boss's information, becoming The Boss in a sense, The Boss (the machine) decided to make the sacrifice to save people from nuclear attack. Just like the original, flesh and blood Boss did. Which means she IS a patriot.

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