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Kojima whitewashing Japan's past. [Spoliers]
09-09-2015, 12:49 PM (This post was last modified: 09-09-2015 12:53 PM by nuhr.)
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RE: Kojima whitewashing Japan's past. [Spoliers]
(09-09-2015 12:11 PM)SeverdSeouL Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 06:15 PM)nuhr Wrote:  I disagree.

The way I see it, he doesn't mean it in a negative way when he talks about English becoming a lingua franca. Etc.

He is highly interested in history and culture, but because his stories are not based on Japanese characters, he does not feature Japanese history. The critique of American politics is not included because he hates the US or the Western world, but because of his rational interest in why the world is the way it is. And because he wants to create characters with interesting world-views and opinions because that's what he considers interesting and intellectually fulfilling.


I am very sure Kojima is not a leftist, even though leftist MG-fans always put him into that corner.

He does not hate the Western World. He loves American movies and music. One of his favourite films is Taxi Driver and the reason he loves it is because it made him realize that Americans weren't always as cheerful and friendly as he thought.

http://junkerhq.net/favoritefilms.html

I honestly always thought of him as more of a libertarian, after taking into account his views portrayed in MGS2. How America has deviated from it's original path as a nation of liberty. But the story in Peace Walker and MGSV just screams anti-white, anti-western far left dogma. He is incessant in his demonizing of western values and what he thinks "capitalism" is. But rarely are the atrocities of the East mentioned or even acknowledged, specifically socialism. In reality no country is really free from a legacy of atrocity. I was expecting a more intelligent, balanced view on history. Not a rehash the anti-western propaganda pumped into your head in modern liberal arts courses and mainstream media.

Western characters aside, not sure why it wouldn't feature Japanese history, since the games often give nudges and winks of Japanese culture. Not to mention countries around the world are discussed politically, why is Japan excluded from that?

I am also a libertarian and I am very sure Kojima is too.

MGS features a lot of scenes which condemn communism

- Sokolov desperately wanting to go to America, fearing to be sent to the Gulags if captured. The reason why Zero got Sokolov's wife and kid out first is because in the Soviet Union you had to be married when you were somewhat important. If the marriage was voluntary, as in Sokolov's case, the wife would be kept as a fail-safe to prevent her husband from defecting to the West.

- The Russian interpreter in MGS V always dreamed about living a free life in the West, which is why he joins Diamond Dogs

- In MGS V, the Russian soldiers will say that "the one-eyed man" supports the "American Imperialists", even though the Soviets invaded Afghanistan (on Christmas day 1979), not the US

- In Peace Walker, Miller discusses how socialism only leads to destruction and mass-poverty and how socialists always become corrupted once they obtain power.
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09-09-2015, 12:55 PM
Post: #17
RE: Kojima whitewashing Japan's past. [Spoliers]
(09-09-2015 12:11 PM)SeverdSeouL Wrote:  It had to be done.

Not arguing that. Just saying the bad things they did weren't necessary as bad as the Allies' worst sins.

Quote:America rebuilt their entire country post-war.

US cities were bombed during WWII? Also, Detroit in 2015 looks worse than Heroshima did in 1946.

Quote:And yes they did murder civilians.

Of course they did. Who hasn't?

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09-09-2015, 02:26 PM
Post: #18
RE: Kojima whitewashing Japan's past. [Spoliers]
Pretty sure Kojima's a left-libertarian. A syndicalist, most likely.

I'm saying this as someone who is adamantly pro-market.

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09-09-2015, 02:48 PM
Post: #19
RE: Kojima whitewashing Japan's past. [Spoliers]
Anyone who likes eating fresh food is pro-market.

The Taliban isn't pro-market, judging on how many of them they've blown up.

I dosapprove of left-librarians. With the Dewey-decimal system, librarians should be right-handed.

Politics are stupid unless you're a politician.

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09-09-2015, 04:10 PM
Post: #20
RE: Kojima whitewashing Japan's past. [Spoliers]
(09-09-2015 12:49 PM)nuhr Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 12:11 PM)SeverdSeouL Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 06:15 PM)nuhr Wrote:  I disagree.

The way I see it, he doesn't mean it in a negative way when he talks about English becoming a lingua franca. Etc.

He is highly interested in history and culture, but because his stories are not based on Japanese characters, he does not feature Japanese history. The critique of American politics is not included because he hates the US or the Western world, but because of his rational interest in why the world is the way it is. And because he wants to create characters with interesting world-views and opinions because that's what he considers interesting and intellectually fulfilling.


I am very sure Kojima is not a leftist, even though leftist MG-fans always put him into that corner.

He does not hate the Western World. He loves American movies and music. One of his favourite films is Taxi Driver and the reason he loves it is because it made him realize that Americans weren't always as cheerful and friendly as he thought.

http://junkerhq.net/favoritefilms.html

I honestly always thought of him as more of a libertarian, after taking into account his views portrayed in MGS2. How America has deviated from it's original path as a nation of liberty. But the story in Peace Walker and MGSV just screams anti-white, anti-western far left dogma. He is incessant in his demonizing of western values and what he thinks "capitalism" is. But rarely are the atrocities of the East mentioned or even acknowledged, specifically socialism. In reality no country is really free from a legacy of atrocity. I was expecting a more intelligent, balanced view on history. Not a rehash the anti-western propaganda pumped into your head in modern liberal arts courses and mainstream media.

Western characters aside, not sure why it wouldn't feature Japanese history, since the games often give nudges and winks of Japanese culture. Not to mention countries around the world are discussed politically, why is Japan excluded from that?

I am also a libertarian and I am very sure Kojima is too.

MGS features a lot of scenes which condemn communism

- Sokolov desperately wanting to go to America, fearing to be sent to the Gulags if captured. The reason why Zero got Sokolov's wife and kid out first is because in the Soviet Union you had to be married when you were somewhat important. If the marriage was voluntary, as in Sokolov's case, the wife would be kept as a fail-safe to prevent her husband from defecting to the West.

- The Russian interpreter in MGS V always dreamed about living a free life in the West, which is why he joins Diamond Dogs

- In MGS V, the Russian soldiers will say that "the one-eyed man" supports the "American Imperialists", even though the Soviets invaded Afghanistan (on Christmas day 1979), not the US

- In Peace Walker, Miller discusses how socialism only leads to destruction and mass-poverty and how socialists always become corrupted once they obtain power.

On the other hand, PW basically worships Che, and that man was a monster.
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09-09-2015, 04:41 PM
Post: #21
RE: Kojima whitewashing Japan's past. [Spoliers]
(09-09-2015 04:10 PM)bishopcruz Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 12:49 PM)nuhr Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 12:11 PM)SeverdSeouL Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 06:15 PM)nuhr Wrote:  I disagree.

The way I see it, he doesn't mean it in a negative way when he talks about English becoming a lingua franca. Etc.

He is highly interested in history and culture, but because his stories are not based on Japanese characters, he does not feature Japanese history. The critique of American politics is not included because he hates the US or the Western world, but because of his rational interest in why the world is the way it is. And because he wants to create characters with interesting world-views and opinions because that's what he considers interesting and intellectually fulfilling.


I am very sure Kojima is not a leftist, even though leftist MG-fans always put him into that corner.

He does not hate the Western World. He loves American movies and music. One of his favourite films is Taxi Driver and the reason he loves it is because it made him realize that Americans weren't always as cheerful and friendly as he thought.

http://junkerhq.net/favoritefilms.html

I honestly always thought of him as more of a libertarian, after taking into account his views portrayed in MGS2. How America has deviated from it's original path as a nation of liberty. But the story in Peace Walker and MGSV just screams anti-white, anti-western far left dogma. He is incessant in his demonizing of western values and what he thinks "capitalism" is. But rarely are the atrocities of the East mentioned or even acknowledged, specifically socialism. In reality no country is really free from a legacy of atrocity. I was expecting a more intelligent, balanced view on history. Not a rehash the anti-western propaganda pumped into your head in modern liberal arts courses and mainstream media.

Western characters aside, not sure why it wouldn't feature Japanese history, since the games often give nudges and winks of Japanese culture. Not to mention countries around the world are discussed politically, why is Japan excluded from that?

I am also a libertarian and I am very sure Kojima is too.

MGS features a lot of scenes which condemn communism

- Sokolov desperately wanting to go to America, fearing to be sent to the Gulags if captured. The reason why Zero got Sokolov's wife and kid out first is because in the Soviet Union you had to be married when you were somewhat important. If the marriage was voluntary, as in Sokolov's case, the wife would be kept as a fail-safe to prevent her husband from defecting to the West.

- The Russian interpreter in MGS V always dreamed about living a free life in the West, which is why he joins Diamond Dogs

- In MGS V, the Russian soldiers will say that "the one-eyed man" supports the "American Imperialists", even though the Soviets invaded Afghanistan (on Christmas day 1979), not the US

- In Peace Walker, Miller discusses how socialism only leads to destruction and mass-poverty and how socialists always become corrupted once they obtain power.

On the other hand, PW basically worships Che, and that man was a monster.

I'll quote everything too just to say that I disagree.

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09-09-2015, 04:53 PM (This post was last modified: 09-09-2015 05:03 PM by Victor Katilis.)
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(09-08-2015 11:22 PM)SexyKaz Wrote:  Is there a country that honestly has something called "clean war history"?
I always found discussions about who did what wrong in the past dumb as fuck.

The whole history of mankind and all its social and technological achievements rest upon bloodcurdling criminal offenses that would make your local prosecutor's hair stand.

What you do with that legacy however, is yours to choose.

Quote:On the other hand, PW basically worships Che, and that man was a monster.
As US propaganda of the time would make sure you and everyone in the western block believes.

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09-10-2015, 12:43 AM (This post was last modified: 09-10-2015 01:00 AM by nuhr.)
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The references to Che Guevara in Peace Walker exist because he is somewhat similar to Big Boss's idea of creating a mercenary-army which is why Kojima draws parallels between them.

Zadornov is a Soviet spy who wants to use Peace Walker to fire a nuke so anti-American sentiment spreads throughout all of Latin America and the Soviets can win the Cold War. Luckily, Big Boss stops him.

Why did Kojima write it this way if Peace Walker is such a celebration of leftism ?


Paz' has a bomb inserted into her vagina which goes off and fucking pulverizes her. Do you actually believe that Kojima is a pervert who loves abusing women in disgusting ways ?


Basically all he does comes down to:"I'll show you lots of things which you never heard of,
and would not think of, because that's what good entertainment should be like."
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09-10-2015, 03:58 AM (This post was last modified: 09-10-2015 04:04 AM by Dr. Clark.)
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(09-09-2015 04:53 PM)Victor Katilis Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 11:22 PM)SexyKaz Wrote:  Is there a country that honestly has something called "clean war history"?
I always found discussions about who did what wrong in the past dumb as fuck.

The whole history of mankind and all its social and technological achievements rest upon bloodcurdling criminal offenses that would make your local prosecutor's hair stand.

What you do with that legacy however, is yours to choose.

Quote:On the other hand, PW basically worships Che, and that man was a monster.
As US propaganda of the time would make sure you and everyone in the western block believes.

THIS! This thread has a good discussion but it was missing a broad historical approach. Every major country did shit. I'm Portuguese and along with the Spanish we endorsed black and native slavery, we fucked up muslim trade in Africa and in the Silk Road by force, other countries fucked each other and themselves with religious civil wars and between them, China did nasty stuff with Mao and now with other guys, Russia did it with Staline and now with Putin, Fidel did the same, USA is doing it, Chavez did it, Kadhafi, Mubarak.
The thing is that while the leaders are the main political representative of a country, it doesn't end there. While it's easy to say that an entire people is to blame, there are always those that oppose those practises and honestly I see it more as a problem in mankind than a certain people. To a point, humankind is still like romans who enjoy a nice bloody show and if it has fire involved and animal cruelty, them better yet.
Also, just because some country has a political reference it doesn't mean that's true. USSR called itself Communist but I see very little in it. Here in Portugal we have a Communist party with some strenght, mainly and as expect in syndicates/unions but it's ridiculous that they spend money on a musical festival with political propagranda than trying to implement on their own (without being in the government) a Communist society. The only true Communist example I can see is a Spanish town called Marinaleda where despite the leader being a bearded symbol of 20th century communism, the principles are applied and people don't seem unhappy nor opressed and poor.

About Japan, while Japanese might seem to not speak about it in part due to shame and in other part due to some proud in it, I think that the fact that most people don't want their Constitution revisioned in order to allow foreign operations is a sign that they have their minds and hearts in the right place.

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09-14-2015, 07:02 PM
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(09-09-2015 12:11 PM)SeverdSeouL Wrote:  But the story in Peace Walker and MGSV just screams anti-white, anti-western far left dogma. He is incessant in his demonizing of western values and what he thinks "capitalism" is.

Where did you get any of this from?
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09-17-2015, 01:14 PM (This post was last modified: 09-17-2015 01:30 PM by Miccoleister.)
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RE: Kojima whitewashing Japan's past. [Spoliers]
(09-08-2015 03:43 PM)SeverdSeouL Wrote:  As much as I love MGSV, it angers me how Kojima whitewashes Japan's history of imperial aggression and mass murder. Not a single mention. Yet he has the audacity to point the finger at the West, America, English becoming a lingua franca, and "capitalist" imperialism. Talk about blatant hypocrisy, but that's to be expected of modern Japan, where they censor historical reality.

Listen to Code Talker's tapes after Mission 31.



Ignorant savage : the US went to war to defend the world from evil imperialists !

The bad Nazis ! The bad Fascists !

Here comes the heroes , Stars and Stripes : they will save us !

Myopic generalization and incorrect interpretation of an event , ignoring the root causes of the event overall ;

that ignorance , that presumption , and naivety !

A perfect automaton devoid of conscience , driven reactively by brain scheduling , defecated by the Western propaganda machine ;

I'd take to slap you in the face , idiot and ignorant : braying donkey :
continues to believe that it is "normal" , and "inevitable", the way to be
( predatory , hypocritical , opportunistic , emotionally manipulative , devoid of soul )

of "your own" culture and nation

[ United States , WASP brigade ( Zion brigade ) , masonic , imperialistic , materialistic , who , fortunately , are clipped by the BRICS and their allies ] ,

imperialistic in the principle , in the form of military aggression ( creator of casus belli ) , and ***foolish financial control***( the real economy must bleed for the follies committed by parasites of financial speculation ) , by the means of the ***usurers*** , with the currency debt , taking nations around the world crushed to the ground , with inextinguishable debt , that is also illegitimate , illegal , and detestable ( little by little we are releasing from that disgrace of cultural misconception , with the China-Russia alliance , BRICS , etc. , and will always be better in the future , if the people , like the morons who "think" like the ass i'm reply to , will wake up ) ;

Social Darwinist and scientistic atheism : the perfect recipe for a society of automatons devoid of conscience , who make morality on others (!).


Ignorant ass : begins to view these concrete information , rather than sailing in the nullity of your arrogant complacency of a braying donkey , Protestant , and treacherously bread eater :

thegreateststorynevertold.tv

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL...6FC7700B61

Shits : if you have the attributes , don't block my account , and let me strip the flesh off the bones of all the ignorants who dare oppose this injection of truth ;

swear words are needed to establish the tone of the dementias of bullshit told by those presumptuous and ignorant idiots that do not see an inch from their nose .

(09-10-2015 03:58 AM)Dr. Clark Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 04:53 PM)Victor Katilis Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 11:22 PM)SexyKaz Wrote:  Is there a country that honestly has something called "clean war history"?
I always found discussions about who did what wrong in the past dumb as fuck.

The whole history of mankind and all its social and technological achievements rest upon bloodcurdling criminal offenses that would make your local prosecutor's hair stand.

What you do with that legacy however, is yours to choose.

Quote:On the other hand, PW basically worships Che, and that man was a monster.
As US propaganda of the time would make sure you and everyone in the western block believes.

THIS! This thread has a good discussion but it was missing a broad historical approach. Every major country did shit. I'm Portuguese and along with the Spanish we endorsed black and native slavery, we fucked up muslim trade in Africa and in the Silk Road by force, other countries fucked each other and themselves with religious civil wars and between them, China did nasty stuff with Mao and now with other guys, Russia did it with Staline and now with Putin, Fidel did the same, USA is doing it, Chavez did it, Kadhafi, Mubarak.
The thing is that while the leaders are the main political representative of a country, it doesn't end there. While it's easy to say that an entire people is to blame, there are always those that oppose those practises and honestly I see it more as a problem in mankind than a certain people. To a point, humankind is still like romans who enjoy a nice bloody show and if it has fire involved and animal cruelty, them better yet.
Also, just because some country has a political reference it doesn't mean that's true. USSR called itself Communist but I see very little in it. Here in Portugal we have a Communist party with some strenght, mainly and as expect in syndicates/unions but it's ridiculous that they spend money on a musical festival with political propagranda than trying to implement on their own (without being in the government) a Communist society. The only true Communist example I can see is a Spanish town called Marinaleda where despite the leader being a bearded symbol of 20th century communism, the principles are applied and people don't seem unhappy nor opressed and poor.

About Japan, while Japanese might seem to not speak about it in part due to shame and in other part due to some proud in it, I think that the fact that most people don't want their Constitution revisioned in order to allow foreign operations is a sign that they have their minds and hearts in the right place.



Quote:...Russia did it with Staline and now with Putin, Fidel did the same, USA is doing it, Chavez did it, Kadhafi, Mubarak.


That ignorant : can you conceive the reality beyond the screen of propaganda?

Putin did what ? Gaddafi did what ? Chavez did what ? are you fucking crazy, you fucking ignorant ?

Ukraine has suffered a coup financed and organized by the pigs in Stars and Stripes, groped to provoke and destabilize Russia, in the Masonic plan of destruction and reconstruction of civilization ;

if you do not understand the root , geopolitical , ideological , and eschatological causes , you will end up believing the crap you write : open your ignorant eyes : visions the two links I posted earlier , instead of fomenting ignorance ;

it is not true that all nations have made inhuman acts, and it is not true that all are driven by the same principles and objectives : the generalization is the instrument of mediocrity , who does not know what to say, and it says it anyway.
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09-17-2015, 03:00 PM
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RE: Kojima whitewashing Japan's past. [Spoliers]
Am I reading incoherent and poorly written satire?
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09-18-2015, 01:25 AM (This post was last modified: 09-18-2015 01:26 AM by Miccoleister.)
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RE: Kojima whitewashing Japan's past. [Spoliers]
(09-17-2015 03:00 PM)Brian OBlivion Wrote:  Am I reading incoherent and poorly written satire?

Dickhead , empty of substance , which stops at the form of the message , ignoring the substance ;

Stars and Stripes idiots ( and culturally conditioned equivalent ) , bred in the competition , emotionally raped , even as children , are hypersensitive to anything they depend emotionally ( competition , approval from others ) : they flow from their insecurities to try and ballast in them others ;

jackass : learn to argue, instead of making the repressed , passive aggressive idiot ;

satire took place nine months after that time when that impotent of your father has erupted in the rectal bulb of your mother.
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09-18-2015, 02:39 AM
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RE: Kojima whitewashing Japan's past. [Spoliers]
(09-17-2015 03:00 PM)Brian OBlivion Wrote:  Am I reading incoherent and poorly written satire?

No, it seems it's just some guy steaming off because it's butthurt due to pointy stars and is confused due to all the stripes.

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09-18-2015, 05:45 AM
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RE: Kojima whitewashing Japan's past. [Spoliers]
(09-18-2015 02:39 AM)Dr. Clark Wrote:  
(09-17-2015 03:00 PM)Brian OBlivion Wrote:  Am I reading incoherent and poorly written satire?

No, it seems it's just some guy steaming off because it's butthurt due to pointy stars and is confused due to all the stripes.

Here's another fool who confuses form with substance :

insults are stimuli , that are received by a softening shit , in the passiveaggressive realm ;

morons like you are butthurt , assbroken by ignorance, and conceit ;

the truth ( i'm not the truth , but simply a messenger ) , which embraces the whole , instead of getting bogged down in the details , wait , not fearing anyone or anything ;

the idiot does not put into question , and prefer to interact expressing his emotional impairment ( no , dickhead , my insults not fit into this : your ignorance , that persists in the propaganda stupidity , in the "inevitable" way of "Stars and Stripes" , however , it is )
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