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Kojima whitewashing Japan's past. [Spoliers]
09-08-2015, 03:43 PM
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Kojima whitewashing Japan's past. [Spoliers]
As much as I love MGSV, it angers me how Kojima whitewashes Japan's history of imperial aggression and mass murder. Not a single mention. Yet he has the audacity to point the finger at the West, America, English becoming a lingua franca, and "capitalist" imperialism. Talk about blatant hypocrisy, but that's to be expected of modern Japan, where they censor historical reality.

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09-08-2015, 05:07 PM
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RE: Kojima whitewashing Japan's past. [Spoliers]
To be fair, I don't remember Japan ever firebombing civilian targets or dropping nuclear weapons on cities.

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09-08-2015, 05:15 PM
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They did chop loads of Chinese meat though, this much I can remember.
But generally you are right Canuck.

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09-08-2015, 06:15 PM
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RE: Kojima whitewashing Japan's past. [Spoliers]
I disagree.

The way I see it, he doesn't mean it in a negative way when he talks about English becoming a lingua franca. Etc.

He is highly interested in history and culture, but because his stories are not based on Japanese characters, he does not feature Japanese history. The critique of American politics is not included because he hates the US or the Western world, but because of his rational interest in why the world is the way it is. And because he wants to create characters with interesting world-views and opinions because that's what he considers interesting and intellectually fulfilling.


I am very sure Kojima is not a leftist, even though leftist MG-fans always put him into that corner.

He does not hate the Western World. He loves American movies and music. One of his favourite films is Taxi Driver and the reason he loves it is because it made him realize that Americans weren't always as cheerful and friendly as he thought.

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09-08-2015, 09:51 PM (This post was last modified: 09-08-2015 09:52 PM by BigB0SS.)
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(09-08-2015 05:15 PM)Victor Katilis Wrote:  They did chop loads of Chinese meat though, this much I can remember.
But generally you are right Canuck.

Yea, referring to Japanese Expansionism leading into WW2. All the raping, killing, and taking over of Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos, etc.
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09-08-2015, 11:22 PM
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Is there a country that honestly has something called "clean war history"?
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09-09-2015, 02:16 AM
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(09-08-2015 05:07 PM)Canucklehead Wrote:  To be fair, I don't remember Japan ever firebombing civilian targets or dropping nuclear weapons on cities.

They have bombed cities. And If they had nukes they would have.used them too. As they have used chemical/biological weapons on uppity natives without a damn fucking regret.

This are the same fucking people that disemboweled "so not forced" comfort woman that were pregnant in front of other comfort women and processed to wrap entrails around their necks of said disemboweled woman just as a warning for not getting knocked up by the men who were most likely raping her to begin with.


Then there is also a fact that the Japs loved chopping of Chinese heads just for the sport of it.

Also ate POW's by the way ...along with all sorts of other nasty shit.

That's not to say Europeans or Americans, etc. Have clean hands. They don't. But the Japs are easily up there in scale and for lack of better word in my vocabulary "creativity" in the crimes they have committed.
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09-09-2015, 03:16 AM
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Everyone is guilty; nobody has clean hands. But as far as major atrocities go, modern Japan isn't high on the list. Modern being the last couple centuries, of course.

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09-09-2015, 04:04 AM
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(09-09-2015 03:16 AM)Canucklehead Wrote:  Everyone is guilty; nobody has clean hands. But as far as major atrocities go, modern Japan isn't high on the list. Modern being the last couple centuries, of course.

If you defined modern as post WW2, I would agree. But in WW2, they were pretty damn horrific. Look up Unit 731.
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09-09-2015, 04:38 AM
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Yeah, but they never did things like the US and Britain did.

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09-09-2015, 08:46 AM
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Could you clarify that.
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09-09-2015, 08:48 AM
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Post #2, bitch.

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09-09-2015, 08:55 AM
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(09-09-2015 08:48 AM)Canucklehead Wrote:  Post #2, bitch.

Except thy did firebomb cities too. And as far as nuking Japan that along with Soviets invading and curb stomping the Japanese Manchurian army prevented a far bigger massacre what would have been the invasion of Japan.
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09-09-2015, 09:02 AM
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Holy fuck, and just imagine how horrific the massacre that would have taken place by that guy who fell off his bike and hit his head would have been if he hadn't died and turned into a real life Cobra Commander. Because fuck incidents that actually took place; I'm all about judging people on hypothetical shit that may have been just because someone else told me that I'm a bad dude.

What a dick.

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09-09-2015, 12:11 PM (This post was last modified: 09-09-2015 12:27 PM by SeverdSeouL.)
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(09-08-2015 05:07 PM)Canucklehead Wrote:  To be fair, I don't remember Japan ever firebombing civilian targets or dropping nuclear weapons on cities.

It had to be done. The Japanese would never have stopped the war, they would never have surrendered. Kojima also pulling that Hiroshima card "poor us the victim". America rebuilt their entire country post-war. And yes they did murder civilians. Tens of million of Chinese, Koreans, and Philippinos. They forced them to learn Japanese, invaded their lands. I'm sure you must have also heard of the Nanking massacre in China. 600,000 Chinese killed in a week by Japanese soldiers. They conducted human experiments in China.

Funny how it's only Germany that gets the heat for what the Nazis did, they'll never be allowed to forgot it. Japan on the other hand absolved of all warcrimes, criticism and allowed to freely revise it's own history at the detriment of documented truth and the victims.

(09-08-2015 06:15 PM)nuhr Wrote:  I disagree.

The way I see it, he doesn't mean it in a negative way when he talks about English becoming a lingua franca. Etc.

He is highly interested in history and culture, but because his stories are not based on Japanese characters, he does not feature Japanese history. The critique of American politics is not included because he hates the US or the Western world, but because of his rational interest in why the world is the way it is. And because he wants to create characters with interesting world-views and opinions because that's what he considers interesting and intellectually fulfilling.


I am very sure Kojima is not a leftist, even though leftist MG-fans always put him into that corner.

He does not hate the Western World. He loves American movies and music. One of his favourite films is Taxi Driver and the reason he loves it is because it made him realize that Americans weren't always as cheerful and friendly as he thought.

http://junkerhq.net/favoritefilms.html

I honestly always thought of him as more of a libertarian, after taking into account his views portrayed in MGS2. How America has deviated from it's original path as a nation of liberty. But the story in Peace Walker and MGSV just screams anti-white, anti-western far left dogma. He is incessant in his demonizing of western values and what he thinks "capitalism" is. But rarely are the atrocities of the East mentioned or even acknowledged, specifically socialism. In reality no country is really free from a legacy of atrocity. I was expecting a more intelligent, balanced view on history. Not a rehash the anti-western propaganda pumped into your head in modern liberal arts courses and mainstream media.

Western characters aside, not sure why it wouldn't feature Japanese history, since the games often give nudges and winks of Japanese culture. Not to mention countries around the world are discussed politically, why is Japan excluded from that?
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